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Post by pistolsatdawn on Oct 3, 2022 17:44:13 GMT
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Post by clouds on Oct 3, 2022 18:21:14 GMT
Really disappointing interview. Was hoping it would remain civil. Yes Serge did want more of the spotlight but I don’t think that’s relevant to Tom’s behaviour at all.
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Post by highroyds on Oct 3, 2022 19:25:18 GMT
Thanks I hate it
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Post by highroyds on Oct 3, 2022 19:47:06 GMT
I'm so angry.
I disagree with Serge secretly wanting the spotlight all along. Yes, we all noticed that it was suddenly kind of becoming the Serge show, but knowing what we know now I believe it was out of necessity. But how convenient to spin the story that way. It's all Serge's fault after all! The big meanie wanted to bully him out of the band and that's why he started drinking! Genius PR.
This fucking liar. Who is rewriting history here?
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Post by runningbattle on Oct 4, 2022 10:19:14 GMT
I'm so angry. I disagree with Serge secretly wanting the spotlight all along. Yes, we all noticed that it was suddenly kind of becoming the Serge show, but knowing what we know now I believe it was out of necessity. But how convenient to spin the story that way. It's all Serge's fault after all! The big meanie wanted to bully him out of the band and that's why he started drinking! Genius PR. This fucking liar. Who is rewriting history here? You might disagree, but Tom does have a point - and the 'out of necessity' is a chicken and egg argument. Maybe Tom wasn't as shielded and supported as he should've been? We can only go off what Serge says and he's hardly going to say that they let Tom down is he? Plus, we've all said since 48:13 and even Velociraptor that the influence of the likes of Aitor Thorup (who wanted to make Serge the focal point of the band) had changed the dynamic - subconsciously or otherwise. I don't agree with him going public about his views though, he should've kept his own counsel.
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Post by j4thewin on Oct 4, 2022 14:54:52 GMT
On my mind Kasabian were always Tom and Serge and I loved it, Serge was probably the most influential member of the group as far as I can remember following them since 2011. Why is it wrong if they shared the spotlight I don't get it? Obviously If Serge was trying to kick Tom out of the band while getting all the spotlight is terrible but I highly doubt it.
Back in 2017 Tom said he wasn't feeling well so Serge wrote a feel good album to make him feel better. They were on every interview together and they seemed to be really tight together till the moment he messed up with his partner. I have zero doubt he would be in the group if he didn't mess up.
The worst part of the interview since what I said above is a bit hypothetical is the part he tried to correlate his drinking problems with Serge, this is disgusting.
*in addition back in 2020? when Covid was thriving the Leicester summer soltice part 2 show was scheduled, without Covid it would have went through with Tom at lead vocals there was no doubt about it and it was about time to start recording their 7th album with Tom obviously, there were zero at all indications Tom would leave the band if he didn't f***up.
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Post by clouds on Oct 4, 2022 15:52:34 GMT
Can see how Serge’s increasing stage presence would have led to Tom feeling insecure…BUT his behaviours after are on himself only. He shouldn’t use it as an excuse imo.
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Post by highroyds on Oct 5, 2022 7:26:34 GMT
You might disagree, but Tom does have a point - and the 'out of necessity' is a chicken and egg argument. Maybe Tom wasn't as shielded and supported as he should've been? We can only go off what Serge says and he's hardly going to say that they let Tom down is he? Plus, we've all said since 48:13 and even Velociraptor that the influence of the likes of Aitor Thorup (who wanted to make Serge the focal point of the band) had changed the dynamic - subconsciously or otherwise. I don't agree with him going public about his views though, he should've kept his own counsel. Obviously none of us live inside Serge's head or were sitting in on band meetings, but the reason I don't believe what Tom says is that Serge was so clearly not frontman material. It took him until the Velociraptor era 8 years into his career to come out of his shell on stage. He even credited Tom with it, he said watching Tom be so fearless made him more confident, I always thought that was such a sweet moment. Does Tom really believe in his heart that this guy, who was still writing him fucking love songs three years ago, had some kind of long term conspiracy going on? Serge has been nothing but classy about the matter, what is Tom trying to achieve? I wonder what brought this on. In the interview in April (?) he was still all "I love them, we're brothers". Was it Kasabian having a successful album without him? I can see how that would make him feel insecure, like they clearly don't need him. Whose idea was the interview? Did the Daily Mail approach him? Did he approach the Daily Mail? Why did his management think that was a good idea? I'm wondering about the management anyway. I'm not implying that Tom has no agency in this matter, he's not stupid, but where the hell does this come from. Go to therapy and shut the fuck up. Back in 2017 Tom said he wasn't feeling well so Serge wrote a feel good album to make him feel better. They were on every interview together and they seemed to be really tight together till the moment he messed up with his partner. I have zero doubt he would be in the group if he didn't mess up. That's the thing, I saw them on the last tour, I watched all the footage, and right to the end they were hugging and kissing every night on stage. There was zero indication there was anything going on. Sure, it would be naive to think things are always perfect, but with how authentic they always were I don't think they could have hid if they were not getting on at all. They were all hearts on sleeves, all the time. Tom cried because La Fee Verte was so beautiful, he cried when they sang Happy Birthday to his dad, Serge cried at Jay's last gig, they don't put on a show and secretly hate each other. I think they absolutely would have supported him through whatever was going on until they couldn't anymore. Serge has all but said that the DV incident was basically the last straw. Maybe it came a little bit out of nowhere but it didn't come out of nowhere nowhere.
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Post by highroyds on Oct 5, 2022 8:55:29 GMT
I made a separate thread for the article, just in case people still want to talk about the music in the other one without dealing with the bullshit. I think I'm going to stay out of this general area for a bit.
Alexa play Phoebe Bridgers
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