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Post by highroyds on Jul 10, 2020 11:36:08 GMT
Here's a place to have a chat about the good memories or just general feelings we have about Kasabian, Tom included, without having to preface every statement by saying that obviously we condemn his actions. I'm going to preface this by saying obviously we condemn his actions. But we have all lost something and that might take some time to untangle.
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Post by jayfreeman on Jul 10, 2020 16:39:45 GMT
Of course, I agree that most of us condemn Tom's decision. I certainly not fond of it. But this is how it goes in life - things look diffferently from different angles. It is a life changing decision and he had reasons to take it, and as much as people might dislike it, nobody can say what they would do being in his shoes.
What i mean is that people expect and want something from other people, but not always those other people are obliged to act accordingly. The best way is just to accept things as they are. We also don't know what would happen otherwise, maybe this is even a good thing after all.
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Post by highroyds on Jul 11, 2020 7:29:13 GMT
I have these random moments where I just have to sit down and have a little cry, like the other day I suddenly remembered how they used to do this "would you like a treat?" bit and then discuss chocolates for ages before playing Treat. I saw them live for the first time on 1 November 2009 in Hamburg, which is near where I live. I saw them live the last time on 1 November 2017 in Hamburg. That was also the point where my health got a bit shit and I decided I couldn't travel to every gig anymore, and it was such a beautiful full circle thing. I just wanted to take a break and not be stressed all the time. I spent that whole day in 2017 saying "It's so weird, it feels like a goodbye, I feel like I'll never see them again, haha, how silly"  |
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Post by lunatic on Jul 11, 2020 9:35:03 GMT
I’m following some fan groups of other bands on Facebook etc. Even though all of those people are not hardcore Kasabian fans, they feel really bad because this Kasabian crisis is so heartbreaking and came so suddenly. Basically this has made them think that the same could have happened to the bands they love the most and this is the risk of being a fan. I’m not claiming members of other bands would commit crimes, but this sympathy towards Kasabian fans is comforting.
I’m still heartbroken. I make breakfast and suddenly remember the first gig I attended in Cologne in October 2009. Fans were waiting in front of the venue, a black taxi drove past and Tom waved to us happily from the window. Then I’m brushing my teeth and remember the last gig I attended in London in December 2017. Serge left the stage and said ”Times like this you remember why you start a band”
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Post by shazza on Jul 11, 2020 20:01:04 GMT
Of course, I agree that most of us condemn Tom's decision. I certainly not fond of it. But this is how it goes in life - things look diffferently from different angles. It is a life changing decision and he had reasons to take it, and as much as people might dislike it, nobody can say what they would do being in his shoes. What i mean is that people expect and want something from other people, but not always those other people are obliged to act accordingly. The best way is just to accept things as they are. We also don't know what would happen otherwise, maybe this is even a good thing after all. Hopefully we all condemn Tom’s actions. It’s possible to do that, and still hope he gets the help and support he needs. Maybe I’m misreading but what do you mean when you say “Tom’s decision”? Because it could read like you’re describing an act of domestic violence as something that he could have had “reasons to do”, and that we need to “accept“ it? I’m genuinely not trying to be argumentative here, and I apologise for derailing the topic of this thread (mods I understand if you delete my post), but the only thing I can see as “maybe being a good thing” in the situation is the remaining band members creating exciting new music. Apologies if I’ve completely misinterpreted your post, it’s been a long week for us all! |
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Post by jayfreeman on Jul 12, 2020 9:31:12 GMT
Of course, I agree that most of us condemn Tom's decision. I certainly not fond of it. But this is how it goes in life - things look diffferently from different angles. It is a life changing decision and he had reasons to take it, and as much as people might dislike it, nobody can say what they would do being in his shoes. What i mean is that people expect and want something from other people, but not always those other people are obliged to act accordingly. The best way is just to accept things as they are. We also don't know what would happen otherwise, maybe this is even a good thing after all. Hopefully we all condemn Tom’s actions. It’s possible to do that, and still hope he gets the help and support he needs. Maybe I’m misreading but what do you mean when you say “Tom’s decision”? Because it could read like you’re describing an act of domestic violence as something that he could have had “reasons to do”, and that we need to “accept“ it? I’m genuinely not trying to be argumentative here, and I apologise for derailing the topic of this thread (mods I understand if you delete my post), but the only thing I can see as “maybe being a good thing” in the situation is the remaining band members creating exciting new music. Apologies if I’ve completely misinterpreted your post, it’s been a long week for us all! No, i didn't mean exactly this with "maybe being a good thing". I did not mean anything in particular, it is more in general - you don't know the future and all "if's" of the future. We don't like the situation, but maybe we would dislike it even more after all if Tom didn't leave. For example (just one example of million possibilities), Tom never left, they went to make another album, got differences, conflicts, the band breaks up with a scandal, etc., etc. At that theoretical moment some would probably agree that Tom leaving the band a year earlier wouldn't be such a disaster, but nobody would even come up with this idea, because it never happened.
Another thing that i meant, and it was the point of the post, is that you cannot demand anybody to do or not to do as you wish, even if there are millions of "you". Well, for a simple example, i would like Messi to drop his little pathetic club he is playing for and join "mine" mighty Juve. Should he do it? You say. Will he do it? Probably not. And of couse I condemn his "decision" and feel crappy about it, but then?
In such situations you should accept the things like you accept the weather for instance. You can condemn the rain as long as you want, but it is going change nothing except you becoming crazy.
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Post by dingo on Jul 12, 2020 10:15:44 GMT
I'm a bit - egoistically, tbf - sad, because I saw them twice and while the first time, Munich 2014, was sensational, one of the best nights of my life, the second time, Vienna 2017, was much less so. It was a few months after I had had a nasty, life-changing accident and as I was not totally fit, I had to leave early. Never mind, I told myself, there will be better times and I will certainly see them again, maybe even one day in UK. Oh well, not likely now!
But, anyway, to end on a positive note, when they played my beloved "Wasted" and came to the line "And the music it never died, never died, never died" that repetition struck a chord deep inside my then unhappy self and told me that I'll get through this. I know, funny "self-help" song, but it worked for me!
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Post by highroyds on Jul 12, 2020 10:52:57 GMT
The only way in which this could even remotely approach being a "good" thing is if it was the wake up call he needed to sort himself out.
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Post by lindas on Jul 12, 2020 21:25:26 GMT
It’s going to pop up in my Facebook memories In few days that I attended a concert in the most amazing venue in Taormina, Sicily. What a special night that was. I have such happy memories of all of my Kasabian gigs (all 8 of them!) Really wanted to make it to 10. My memories are tainted at the moment and I haven’t been able to listen to them really since last Monday, which, again, makes me sad. I’ve got 4 Kasabian tops and don’t think I will be wearing those anytime soon either. Maybe I could wear one of them, as it just says Lost Souls Forever which most people wouldn’t know! The others have Kasabian in huge pink or blue letters. The song I cannot get out of my head is Goodbye Kiss - Tom and Serge sang an acoustic version of this in Sicily which was amazing. The words have much more meaning now which is uncomfortable to hear unfortunately.
Hoping for better days for Kasabian fans.
I read rumours about Liam Gallagher (who I love) joining the band - I don’t think that would work!!!
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Post by lunatic on Jul 13, 2020 4:18:17 GMT
It’s going to pop up in my Facebook memories In few days that I attended a concert in the most amazing venue in Taormina, Sicily. What a special night that was. Teatro Antico di Taormina and that version of Goodbye Kiss were pure magic. That's what it was all about, traveling around the world, great nights, great memories, great friends. For 11 years I planned all my holidays first checking their gig calendar. I really hope that Liam Gallagher doesn't join Kasabian. |
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Post by highroyds on Jul 13, 2020 6:43:26 GMT
I don't think anyone is joining the band. Liam has his solo career and is doing great. When Jay left people immediately said Paul Weller is going to replace him. Even taking into account that they've known about this for longer than we have (though how long?) I hope they take a lot of time deciding what to do next.
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Post by levitate on Jul 13, 2020 12:54:44 GMT
The Liam rumour is clearly just internet fanfiction. He's at his most successful since Oasis, he wouldn't waste time with a band as small-fry (relatively speaking) as Kasabian. That said I can see why he's appealing. From a PR pov, hiring Liam is probably the only way they'd be able to maintain a high level of popularity. He's beloved enough to make everyone forget about Tom. Anyone else (including Serge himself) will forever have the ghost of Tom lurking over them.
Still, my ideal is Serge taking over. He sung most of 48:13 so he can pull it off. He also has that thick Leicester accent, albeit slightly softer and higher pitched. It might be odd hearing him sing Club Foot, but I'd get used to it. Maybe he could hire another guitarist to perform his parts live, so he can command the stage a bit more. Providing he's comfortable with doing that, of course.
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Post by runningbattle on Jul 13, 2020 13:14:35 GMT
The Liam rumour is clearly just internet fanfiction. He's at his most successful since Oasis, he wouldn't waste time with a band as small-fry (relatively speaking) as Kasabian. That said I can see why he's appealing. From a PR pov, hiring Liam is probably the only way they'd be able to maintain a high level of popularity. He's beloved enough to make everyone forget about Tom. Anyone else (including Serge himself) will forever have the ghost of Tom lurking over them. Still, my ideal is Serge taking over. He sung most of 48:13 so he can pull it off. He also has that thick Leicester accent, albeit slightly softer and higher pitched. It might be odd hearing him sing Club Foot, but I'd get used to it. Maybe he could hire another guitarist to perform his parts live, so he can command the stage a bit more. Providing he's comfortable with doing that, of course. No. Just, no. As good as The SLP album was, at his live show it brought home to roost how uncomfortable he looked on stage as the leading light. There's two options for the band IMO: 1) Continue making music under the moniker of another alias 2) Put Kasabian into hibernation - leaving the prospect of a reborn Tom to return in 5, 10, 15 years. |
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Post by lindas on Jul 13, 2020 19:36:50 GMT
Option 2 for me!! The Liam rumour is clearly just internet fanfiction. He's at his most successful since Oasis, he wouldn't waste time with a band as small-fry (relatively speaking) as Kasabian. That said I can see why he's appealing. From a PR pov, hiring Liam is probably the only way they'd be able to maintain a high level of popularity. He's beloved enough to make everyone forget about Tom. Anyone else (including Serge himself) will forever have the ghost of Tom lurking over them. Still, my ideal is Serge taking over. He sung most of 48:13 so he can pull it off. He also has that thick Leicester accent, albeit slightly softer and higher pitched. It might be odd hearing him sing Club Foot, but I'd get used to it. Maybe he could hire another guitarist to perform his parts live, so he can command the stage a bit more. Providing he's comfortable with doing that, of course. No. Just, no. As good as The SLP album was, at his live show it brought home to roost how uncomfortable he looked on stage as the leading light. There's two options for the band IMO: 1) Continue making music under the moniker of another alias 2) Put Kasabian into hibernation - leaving the prospect of a reborn Tom to return in 5, 10, 15 years. |
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Post by lindas on Jul 13, 2020 19:37:46 GMT
Lunatic - were you at Taormina? It’s going to pop up in my Facebook memories In few days that I attended a concert in the most amazing venue in Taormina, Sicily. What a special night that was. Teatro Antico di Taormina and that version of Goodbye Kiss were pure magic. That's what it was all about, traveling around the world, great nights, great memories, great friends. For 11 years I planned all my holidays first checking their gig calendar. I really hope that Liam Gallagher doesn't join Kasabian. |
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