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Post by levitate on Jul 13, 2020 12:33:43 GMT
If I were to speculate, I would guess the band probably didn't know until very late in the game. That would explain the hasty vibes I got off the band's original statement. Even on the night before the court case, Tom refused to acknowledge anything was going on. He even got his brother to imply it was just a mental health issue and the band were being unfair to him. Tom has clearly been intentionally misleading fans and the press for some months now, making out everything was buisness as usual when it wasn't. I wouldn't be surprised if he gave his bandmates the same treatment. If he's not being upfront and honest with anyone else, why would he be honest with them? He might have put it off discussing it with the band for as long as he possibly could, and only came clean when there was finally no other way around it. I find it hard to believe Serge would cheerfully hype up a new Kasabian record knowing Tom was facing serious domestic assault charges.
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Post by oriar on Jul 13, 2020 12:40:22 GMT
Definitely the band found out late, if they wanted to keep him after what he's done there would probably be a way to distance themselves from him without going all in and kicking him out.
I can't imagine Serge was happy to find out what happened, and neither was Chris I imagine.
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Post by lunatic on Oct 29, 2020 18:44:15 GMT
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Post by stepstr on Oct 29, 2020 20:00:07 GMT
I'm thinking about two options now: either they've dropped him because they had something up their sleeves and they didn't want Tom to earn anything from the future projects. I get this, seems logical, sad but what can you do. The second option is way more shittier: they've decided to cut him off completely and not associate him with the band in any possible way. |
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Post by highroyds on Oct 30, 2020 15:02:55 GMT
I think it's not as dramatic as people make it out to be. The names suggest that this concerns touring and merchandise, money generated through gigs and through selling shit with their name on it. If he's not involved in their future projects (for now?) obviously it doesn't make sense for him to benefit financially. I don't think this is about music royalties. I also don't think he'll be strapped for cash anytime soon if they somehow made 400k in a year where they did literally nothing.
I'm most surprised that The Sun found their companies.
The more time passes the more I wonder how much of it was Tom's choice. In the past he's been downright horrified at the mere suggestions that one day the band might not exist anymore, he hated taking breaks between tours. But it makes even less sense to me that 25 years of incredibly close friendship are just gone over something that his actual victim apparently forgave in a heartbeat. I'd get it if it was a last straw type of situation, but literally 10 days before they were happily talking about the next album. What if Tom realised he's in a bad place mentally and can't go on another 18 month tour next year? I don't know. I wonder how much he's going to share once he starts releasing music. I kind of want to know, but also not.
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Post by lunatic on Oct 30, 2020 19:45:19 GMT
These are all very good points. The more I think about this, the less it makes sense to me. Decades of marriage-like friendship and everyone has a broken heart now. It feels like the decision of sacking Tom was made by someone outside the band, management or record label or someone who just told them quickly what they should do to save their reputation. He did wrong, yes, but Vikki has forgiven him months ago..
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Post by stepstr on Oct 30, 2020 23:24:03 GMT
These are all very good points. The more I think about this, the less it makes sense to me. Decades of marriage-like friendship and everyone has a broken heart now. It feels like the decision of sacking Tom was made by someone outside the band, management or record label or someone who just told them quickly what they should do to save their reputation. He did wrong, yes, but Vikki has forgiven him months ago.. Сan't say I agree with Tom having been sacked by management only but everything makes no sense to me either |
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Post by highroyds on Oct 31, 2020 18:14:09 GMT
The only one who has actually said something since is Ian. He replied to comments on this post. http://instagram.com/p/CEsI5u7DPMq I'm still convinced that Tom didn't tell them until the end of June and that's where a lot of the hurt comes from. If he kind of sprang it on them a few days before he was due in court, he pretty much forced their hand. I feel like if everyone had known since April and had time to talk and consider everything, maybe things would have been different. In classic Kasabian fashion, everything was handled in the worst possible way. |
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Post by pistolsatdawn on Dec 8, 2020 5:20:47 GMT
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Post by highroyds on Dec 8, 2020 9:44:26 GMT
I just read it. I can't really bring myself to watch the video yet. It's all so sad.
Ultimately it doesn't matter how I feel, but man I lived for that band. Literally. From 2009 onwards there wasn't really anything else I thought about.
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Post by levitate on Dec 8, 2020 19:29:59 GMT
Tom seems to think Kasabian are over. Ian hopes they're still going. Not sure who to believe, or if anyone really knows.
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Post by pistolsatdawn on Dec 9, 2020 5:01:54 GMT
Tom seems to think Kasabian are over. Ian hopes they're still going. Not sure who to believe, or if anyone really knows.  Couple months ago, Andrew Kinsman said this. Not sure which one to believe |
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Post by highroyds on Dec 9, 2020 9:59:49 GMT
Tom says "I can't say if the band will ever get back together again" which sounds to me like the door is not completely closed. It probably depends on a lot of things. As for Kinsman, when did he write that? I'm pretty sure the band only found out in late June, I think almost everyone would have found out along with the rest of us on July 6. Not sure how close they really are with him and how much he would know about their current plans.
I can't see them putting out a Kasabian album without Tom next year. I can see them doing something different with Serge as the frontman, which I would like.
Without getting too deep into speculation, I have a feeling that things have been going on for a while and the rest of the band really protected him. Which is painful in a selfish way, because I saw so much love in there and I feel stupid now to think that he was hurting, maybe they all were, and to me they were just perfect.
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Post by highroyds on Dec 9, 2020 10:26:27 GMT
On a related note, I've been looking back at the few bits we got between April and now. There was the Sky interview with Tom in June, not sure which date it took place, but I'm guessing not too long before the 20th. - "My lockdown's been pretty amazing, actually."
- "I'd imagine we'll be back next year to play Vicky Park when the restrictions are all gone."
- "We're going to try and make a new record as soon as we can [...] Serge has been writing songs for Kasabian so it's all good."
- "He's doing his thing, I'm doing mine but Kasabian are still solid."
Serge was on Radio X on the 19th, making jokes, talking about writing, "really excited" about the next album, hoping for a 2021 release. I have only looked at the Q&A briefly because I can't really deal with that right now, but at that point he would have been through detox and the court date was looming. I'm thinking it's possible that the rest of the band didn't even know about it until quite late. My initial thought was that they'd been sitting on this for 3 months, but if Tom never told them? They're all in lockdown and don't see each other. Then again, some random person from the Leicester area knew and was dropping hints on Twitter on July 6. So either Tom didn't tell them because he was hoping it wouldn't get out at all, or the band knew but didn't say anything until The Sun was about to run the story, and then they were forced to publically distance themselves from him. Meaning if it hadn't come out, if there was any possibility of that, they would have kept quiet and continued like nothing happened? I don't like either of these tbh. I just wanted to add to this, for posterity or whatever. Here and here is footage of Serge's interview. One article is dated June 17, I don't know when it was actually recorded. You can still get the full podcast on iTunes. Here is Tom's interview, which is honestly a bit disturbing to read now. The dissonance between the cheerful optimism in this and yesterday's article where he says he was so depressed he didn't want to live. I think I would have cancelled the interview rather than chat about how everything will be such fun next year. Even if he didn't expect to be asked to leave the band within a few days, he was obviously not happy? That's what makes me think if this incident had not happened they would have continued until breaking point. Here is the Q&A. |
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Post by runningbattle on Dec 21, 2020 14:44:12 GMT
I was watching this earlier this afternoon
It struck me at 6 mins onwards, during the embrace between Tom and Serge, just how troubled Tom must have been in the last four-five years. It's really tragic :-(
I keep trying to lip read all of what Tom says to him, but I can't quite make it all out.
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