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Post by highroyds on Nov 25, 2013 19:17:54 GMT
Does anyone remember details from the Fast Fuse release in 2007?
- As far as I know it was originally announced as an official one-off single/EP between the albums, but all that was released was the 10" vinyl as we know it. Was there supposed to be more, maybe a CD version? There's an interview (September 2007) where they talke about how it's going to be rare and the people who got one will have something very special, but the whole thing sounds a bit like backpedalling to me after they changed their mind about how it's going to be released.
- I read somewhere that it was a limited edition of 200, and that it was only sold at the Somerset House gig in July 2007 (Xfm article reporting this seems to be deleted) but someone said on a forum that people didn't realise it was available, so not many actually bought one. Was anyone at that gig, bought it there or remembers it being discussed at the time?
- What is the other version of the vinyl, the one that says Kasabian and Fast Fuse instead of having the masked man logo on it? I've seen people claim it's fake/essentially a bootleg, others say one is the "real" one and one is only a promo. I used to see it being sold together with the West Ryder vinyl a lot, was it maybe a promotional thing from one specific store, like the US version of the Empire 10" promo? Can anyone shed any light on that?
- When was the digital version released? Was it properly released at all? Was it for sale? I was able to dig up some announcements with links to free downloads, but I can't really tell if it was the whole EP or just Fast Fuse. There's a digital version floating around but that might just be a vinyl rip.
I'd really love to have some of these questions answered because I just can't make sense of that release. Maybe in 10 years people will feel this way about the Switchblade Smiles single. "What do you mean, they forgot??"
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Post by jayfreeman on Nov 26, 2013 19:48:56 GMT
Everything I know about it that it was meant only for promotion. And for this reason it came out on LP only.
It is not exactly answer on your questions, but maybe will explain some of the points.
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Post by highroyds on Nov 26, 2013 21:11:52 GMT
The thing is just that it was announced everywhere like a proper release, something special for the fans, etc. It always seemed like there was supposed to be more. It might also explain the missing Paradise 50 and 52 if they had originally planned for a promo, the vinyl and maybe a CD or something.
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Post by jayfreeman on Nov 27, 2013 12:38:13 GMT
It is possible that the plans changed for some reason. I only knew about this (and other EPs) in 2009/2010, so i missed all the announcements before. When I tried to find it, i discovered it was only issued in LP, not CD, and tried to found out why. And then a couple of pres-releases/messages came across that "iTunes Live", "Fast Fuse EP" and "West Ryder EP" were only meant for promotion.
So maybe first they had some bigger plans for these EPs, but for some reason eventually decided to use them only for promotion.
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Post by stannis on Nov 27, 2013 21:17:33 GMT
I used to have a copy of this. www.discogs.com/Kasabian-Fast-Fuse/release/1943189They made a right arse of releasing the EP. I recall that Fast Fuse had a typical Zane Lowe airplay thing one night and then nothing further. The single sided white label doesn't have PARADISE51 on it, and I reckon it's nothing special. Wasn't Take Aim meant to be on the EP too? |
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Post by highroyds on Nov 28, 2013 20:50:47 GMT
The single sided white label doesn't have PARADISE51 on it, and I reckon it's nothing special. Wasn't Take Aim meant to be on the EP too? Actually they both say PARADISE51, that's why it's so confusing. Of course if one is fake it's possible that they had it etched in to make it look like the real one? There definitely seem to be a lot more of the one-sided version. It was mentioned in an NME article from July 2007 that Take Aim would be on it, and the release date given was September 3. By that time it had already been sold without Take Aim at Somerset House though. And then a couple of pres-releases/messages came across that "iTunes Live", "Fast Fuse EP" and "West Ryder EP" were only meant for promotion. So maybe first they had some bigger plans for these EPs, but for some reason eventually decided to use them only for promotion. West Ryder EP was only promo. It was given away for free with a German magazine right before the album release, god knows why, but that was all it was supposed to be. The iTunes EPs always come out after the iTunes Festival every year for lots of different artists, so there were no bigger plans there either. |
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Post by cuttoff on Dec 22, 2013 10:36:15 GMT
The single sided white label doesn't have PARADISE51 on it, and I reckon it's nothing special. The single sided label was released later than the other one, wasn't it? That release puzzles me even more. I vaguely remember a theory in the old forum that they changed their mind after selling some copies and decided to keep the song for a single release with the album because it was too good (which, of course didn't happen). Also speaking of that Fast Fuse version, I really like its intro a bit more than the album version. |
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Post by highroyds on Mar 15, 2014 18:31:25 GMT
I unearthed an archived version of the old forum last night and read about 50 pages about the Fast Fuse non-release. Here's what I understand happened: - In July 2007, forum members get an email out of the blue that a new song will be played on Zane Lowe's show - Before the Somerset House gig a short message is posted on the official website that a special 10" will be sold at the gig, limited to 200 copies. It was not sold at the regular merch stand and many people didn't see the message beforehand, some saw it being sold and thought it was something dodgy because it was away from the rest of the merchandise. Those who did buy it confirm that it's the version with the masked man and Thick as Thieves as a b-side. - Various dates in September, October and November are given for a proper release. At some point a Japanese 3-track CD appears on Amazon. People assume that the third track must be Take Aim, which we know was initially supposed to be on the EP, but the description mentions a video. There are rumours about Danny Dyer or Rosario Dawson being in the video. Most of the Amazon listings disappear again or say not available and nobody knows what happened. - In an interview at V Festival in August 2007 (can't find a source) Serge is quoted as saying that it was supposed to be released properly but due to people at the record label failing to communicate with each other it didn't happen, so now they're left with 1,000 copies that they want to give away to the fans somehow. - Management is told by the record label that this happened. One forum member is approached by someone from the management at some point and asked if everyone got their Fast Fuse EPs alright, but of course nobody did. - At this time the other version saying Fast Fuse on the label is already popping up on Ebay, much cheaper than the masked man one. Everyone agrees that it's probably not genuine. - No official digital version was ever released and everything we got was either radio or vinyl rips. I briefly thought maybe the masked man version was from the initial 200 Somerset House copies, and the other version was the 1,000 copies they were stuck with later, but that doesn't really explain why they were on Ebay so soon, how would they even get out if nobody had them? I heard from someone somewhere that they still have loads of copies sitting in storage, it doesn't seem likely that so many of them would be sold so cheap only a month or two after that whole mess. |
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Post by cuttoff on Mar 15, 2014 20:25:57 GMT
Thanks for writing it all down properly highroyds, I started reading that thread but got very confused at some point. I wish we get a proper explanation of the Fast Fuse mystery at some point. Also now I'm imagining a Take Aim vid with Danny Dyer in it. |
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Post by cuttoff on Mar 15, 2014 20:28:46 GMT
Oh i just remembered that Danny Dyer presented that vid about their Somerset House gig, maybe that was the source of the rumours?
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Post by highroyds on Mar 15, 2014 21:32:04 GMT
The thread said that Danny himself had said that he would be in the Fast Fuse video, but I don't know where that came from.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 15, 2014 21:47:15 GMT
I also remember that www.whatrecords.co.uk seemed to have exclusivitiy on selling them - No other online retailer had them available. Maybe they struck a deal and bought the bulk of them (or at least a large quantity of them) |
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Post by highroyds on Mar 16, 2014 1:46:51 GMT
I also remember that www.whatrecords.co.uk seemed to have exclusivitiy on selling them - No other online retailer had them available. Maybe they struck a deal and bought the bulk of them (or at least a large quantity of them) They're selling it together with the West Ryder vinyl. I keep seeing it as a bundle with the one-sided Fast Fuse on Ebay, I think I even bought one like that? I can't remember. Is that the one they're selling or the one with the masked man? I was wondering if it was a promotional deal from one retailer because it shows up together so often. |
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Post by jt on Aug 21, 2014 11:07:07 GMT
I unearthed an archived version of the old forum last night and read about 50 pages about the Fast Fuse non-release. Here's what I understand happened: - In July 2007, forum members get an email out of the blue that a new song will be played on Zane Lowe's show - Before the Somerset House gig a short message is posted on the official website that a special 10" will be sold at the gig, limited to 200 copies. It was not sold at the regular merch stand and many people didn't see the message beforehand, some saw it being sold and thought it was something dodgy because it was away from the rest of the merchandise. Those who did buy it confirm that it's the version with the masked man and Thick as Thieves as a b-side. - Various dates in September, October and November are given for a proper release. At some point a Japanese 3-track CD appears on Amazon. People assume that the third track must be Take Aim, which we know was initially supposed to be on the EP, but the description mentions a video. There are rumours about Danny Dyer or Rosario Dawson being in the video. Most of the Amazon listings disappear again or say not available and nobody knows what happened. - In an interview at V Festival in August 2007 (can't find a source) Serge is quoted as saying that it was supposed to be released properly but due to people at the record label failing to communicate with each other it didn't happen, so now they're left with 1,000 copies that they want to give away to the fans somehow. - Management is told by the record label that this happened. One forum member is approached by someone from the management at some point and asked if everyone got their Fast Fuse EPs alright, but of course nobody did. - At this time the other version saying Fast Fuse on the label is already popping up on Ebay, much cheaper than the masked man one. Everyone agrees that it's probably not genuine. - No official digital version was ever released and everything we got was either radio or vinyl rips. I briefly thought maybe the masked man version was from the initial 200 Somerset House copies, and the other version was the 1,000 copies they were stuck with later, but that doesn't really explain why they were on Ebay so soon, how would they even get out if nobody had them? I heard from someone somewhere that they still have loads of copies sitting in storage, it doesn't seem likely that so many of them would be sold so cheap only a month or two after that whole mess. Been searching for info on the Fast Fuse EP for a few days and came across this great forum. I've been collecting paradise numbers for a while now and always looking around on forums and blogs to find out more about the releases but this release always confuses me, I've got the Fast Fuse EP with the Thick As Thieves B Side (Masked man print), which I find hard to come across up for sale online. Does this make the EP I've got a bit rarity? And do you think it is the original paradise 51? Hope you can help! |
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Post by stannis on Aug 21, 2014 11:39:51 GMT
Yep, that's the proper PARADISE51 EP. There's another version kicking about with just Fast Fuse on it and the title stamped on the label. It's sometimes advertised as 51, but it's not legit. Really got no idea where those came from.
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