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Post by levitate on May 17, 2022 9:42:14 GMT
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Post by highroyds on May 17, 2022 11:20:09 GMT
Well that made me cry.
It kind of confirmed what I thought. Things were happening before and that was the last straw. It's upsetting in a weirdly personal way because whenever I saw them, right down to the end, I always saw so much love there. They were always hugging and looked so happy. I absolutely idolised them more than was healthy, but even now, looking back at the pictures, I don't see it.
The timeline confuses me. "A couple of weeks after the incident, Tom said he was going to go solo and the band had split up." Was this before he told them? Did he say he's leaving the band to go solo and then they found out what he did? I always assumed he didn't tell them until way too late and that was why they felt so betrayed. But does this mean he initially left by choice? Tom's narrative is that he was kicked out. But in this Serge refers to Tom leaving.
And Tom was the one who stopped talking to them? And now he's like "the door is open"
I'm having a lot of feelings right now
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Post by highroyds on May 17, 2022 13:12:36 GMT
I assumed that if they really weren't talking it would have been Kasabian's choice, and a justified one I guess. But to read that for them it ended on an almost loving note, telling him they're always there for him, and then he's the one who just goes off and does his own thing like he's wanted to go solo all along. I don't know. I feel a bit sick. But it's also kind of reassuring in a way. If they are the people I thought they were, they would do exactly that. So that's something.
They did an NME interview in 2006 where they were asked "If one of you did a Doherty, what would happen?" and Serge said you would never know because they'd deal with it privately. That's been in my head a lot. Because they probably did until it wasn't possible anymore. Also very interesting that professional help was sought, because in 2017 Tom was so adamant that he didn't need any.
I can't wait for the album so I can think about something other than this.
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Post by ginner on May 17, 2022 15:38:06 GMT
The Tom wanting to go solo bit doesn't sit right with me. Unless he felt Serge was increasingly taking a more prominent role in 'fronting' the band, and was becoming disillusioned with his place in Kasabian.
Tom would need huge luck to find collaborative songwriters who could recreate the 'bangers' that allow him to strut his stuff on stage the way he does in Kasabian. He runs the risk of becoming an almost tribute act.
Feels to me, if we understand the chronology correctly, that Tom knew he'd screwed up, and was sowing the seeds of his departure in the full knowledge he was going to get sacked imminently anyway.
Bear in mind I guess that we're dealing with someone who was clearly on the edge in many ways, so is it likely any of this will make much sense?
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Post by highroyds on May 17, 2022 17:30:11 GMT
The Tom wanting to go solo bit doesn't sit right with me. Unless he felt Serge was increasingly taking a more prominent role in 'fronting' the band, and was becoming disillusioned with his place in Kasabian. I wonder how much of Serge taking over had to do with the state Tom may or may not have been in for who knows how long. Serge says he never wanted to be a frontman and I completely believe him. It was only during the Velociraptor tour that he became more confident. But it did seem to become more Serge's band from 48:13 onwards. It was strange to watch Tom get all quiet and reserved from how he used to be. It was easy to think Serge was just hogging the limelight. What do we know. I think Chris' quotes about Tom wanting to go solo are taken out of context and were part of a longer conversation, the wording is a bit odd, it almost sounds like Tom was looking for an easy way out... which that obviously was not. A few weeks afterwards may well mean June. I still think they didn't know yet around the 20th when Serge did that radio interview. Especially the way he describes feeling then. He seemed completely normal and made jokes and talked about the next album. I feel like he wouldn't even have done the interview if that was going on behind the scenes? I literally don't know anymore. Even if Tom had just "left" at this point and they didn't know what he had done yet it would have been a bit of a crisis. He wouldn't be casually chatting about Kasabian's plans for next year. He's not that good a liar. There was also that ill-advised live chat thing Tom did, which just had weird vibes all around. "Edwards hasn’t talked to him for over a year" just jumped out at me. Did Chris see him after Serge did or does it refer to the same amount of time? Oh the pain of not wanting to be all intrusive and gross but also wanting to know every single detail to make sense of it. "There were some people in the band’s wider circle who questioned their decision to carry on" ohhh tea. Charlie Lightening? He takes all of Tom's pictures now.
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Post by highroyds on May 17, 2022 18:11:18 GMT
Spotted on Twitter: "Is Tom allowed to tell his side of the story?" Tom has been telling his side of the story repeatedly since December 2020 and he hasn't said anything negative about his former bandmates. He isn't owed a Guardian interview just because they did one.
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Post by blahblah on May 17, 2022 18:25:09 GMT
Once I found interesting records about Silver Bullet Merchandise LLP on the internet. What I read there is Tom's contract was terminated on 30 June 2020. I assumed then they knew already... However it was only a few days before the trial.
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Post by highroyds on May 17, 2022 18:39:09 GMT
Once I found interesting records about Silver Bullet Merchandise LLP on the internet. What I read there is Tom's contract was terminated on 30 June 2020. I assumed then they knew already... However it was only a few days before the trial. Yes they had two companies together. My gut is putting it between the 20th and 30th for that reason. The interviews that happened around the 20th make no sense to me if they already knew then.
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Post by blahblah on May 17, 2022 18:44:23 GMT
I believe you're right. Would you please remind me what interview was that?
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Post by highroyds on May 17, 2022 19:19:49 GMT
I believe you're right. Would you please remind me what interview was that? Serge was on Radio X, because it was the day that Solstice II should have taken place. They broadcast the other Summer Solstice gig in full on the radio and interviewed him. I can't find all of the videos, there were more than those two, but he was joking about homeschooling his kids and cutting his own hair in lockdown, talking casually about Kasabian and what the first Solstice was like, and also mentioning writing for the next album. It was all really normal. Around the same time Tom did this interview with Sky News which is borderline disturbing in hindsight. "My lockdown's been pretty amazing." Also saying they'll be back next year, they're working on a new album. I'm proud of Serge and I love him. Kasabian are solid. At this point he had just been through rehab and his court date was two weeks away. Interestingly Tom talks a lot about writing his own songs and "doing his own thing". He already knew he'd have to go solo.
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Post by j4thewin on May 18, 2022 3:00:45 GMT
By the way something interesting I noticed. Under the Radio x instagram post reffering to the Guardian interview someone called John Meighan (Is he Tom's brother? if they aren't related in some way, let me know in order to delete this post) likes every offensive comment towards the band, you can have a look on your own. Here are some liked comments: "No Tom no party 🔥🔥and no Kasabian" , "Serge should have stood by Tom and helped him through his toughest times. Who needs enemies when you have friends like that. If his partner stood by him so could kasabian. As for him being dropped from the merch profits. Kasabian will never get another penny off of me. Long live Tom", "Tom's solo career is flying Kasabian are sinking! ********* post. **** Radio X and **** Kasabian" and many many more. Really really bad look if they're related in my opinion and that's polite.
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Post by levitate on May 18, 2022 4:40:19 GMT
That is his brother, yes. I remember he was making a big fuss on Twitter about how awful it was to sack Tom in the hours between the original announcement and the revelation he was facing serious charges in court. At the time he was framing it to seem like the band were cunts which some of us took a sympathetic ear to, but it quickly became apparent soon after that his behaviour was disturbing. Disappointing to hear he's still at it.
When Serge says "I miss who Tom used to be" I wonder if enabling this kind of behaviour is the sort of thing he's referring to.
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Post by levitate on May 18, 2022 4:43:48 GMT
Whenever reading Facebook comments on a Kasabian article nowadays I feel like I've entered a parallel universe. It's always so emphatically pro-Tom and nonsensically anti-Kasabian, to the point I wonder how organic it is. Weirdly all these 100s of people go on about how amazing Tom's solo shows are which... wasn't he struggling to sell tickets to small venues? We know how Tom and his brother like to manipulate the social media game. It's kinda suss... /tinfoil hat
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Post by pistolsatdawn on May 18, 2022 6:10:36 GMT
By the way something interesting I noticed. Under the Radio x instagram post reffering to the Guardian interview someone called John Meighan (Is he Tom's brother? if they aren't related in some way, let me know in order to delete this post) likes every offensive comment towards the band, you can have a look on your own. Here are some liked comments: "No Tom no party 🔥🔥and no Kasabian" , "Serge should have stood by Tom and helped him through his toughest times. Who needs enemies when you have friends like that. If his partner stood by him so could kasabian. As for him being dropped from the merch profits. Kasabian will never get another penny off of me. Long live Tom", "Tom's solo career is flying Kasabian are sinking! ********* post. **** Radio X and **** Kasabian" and many many more. Really really bad look if they're related in my opinion and that's polite. I remember that guy John Meighan. When the pandemy started, he replied to one of Kasabian's tweet saying why is Serge-centered and all that. He also complained why Kasabian's twitter didn't retweet Tom's covering Imagine & Daydream Believer. Also when the band released the statement about Tom stepping down, he tweeted showing support for Tom but I thought that was normal, Tom's his brother. When Kasabian released the full statement about Tom's assault, John disappeared from Twitter. Now he keeps talking shit about the band. I've started to think that Tom's surrounded by people who wanted him to be the main man of Kasabian but the band knew he was problematic. As for Tom, he released a misleading statement after getting kicked out of the band. Couple months ago his wife said shit about the band. Then No Tom No Party t-shirt and now his brother makes things worse. That makes me want to be distanced from him and his music.
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Post by highroyds on May 18, 2022 8:15:04 GMT
Whenever reading Facebook comments on a Kasabian article nowadays I feel like I've entered a parallel universe. It's always so emphatically pro-Tom and nonsensically anti-Kasabian, to the point I wonder how organic it is. Weirdly all these 100s of people go on about how amazing Tom's solo shows are which... wasn't he struggling to sell tickets to small venues? We know how Tom and his brother like to manipulate the social media game. It's kinda suss... /tinfoil hat I don't think they're paid to comment or anything (not 100% of the online fandom will be able to attend a show, it was a very small tour in one country) but it's interesting how much he's clearly at fault and how much people are desperately trying to make Serge the bad guy. I said in another thread that I think it's because what Tom did isn't reversible, we all know that, but what Kasabian did - kicking Tom out - technically is. They could just ask him back. Whether anyone wants that doesn't even matter. Tom is not in Kasabian because of that decision, therefore it's their fault. What would have happened if they had not kicked him out? The backlash from the general public as well as Kasabian fans would have been huge. Their career would have been over. That would have been their legacy. But what if it hadn't been, what if we had somehow all collectively forgiven Tom? He would have still been struggling with addiction and undiagnosed ADHD. Back into the toxic tour environment we go. Something would have happened eventually. This was clearly a wake up call for him. Maybe something worse would have happened otherwise. I don't know what to say about John, inappropriate but not surprising. I'm glad Tom has people around him who support him but I wish they could do that in a less ugly way.
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